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### *Did Luke Quote the Septuagint? The Cainan Problem and the Attack on the Hebrew*
*The claim you’ve heard:* “The LXX is closer to the original Hebrew. The apostles quoted the LXX. Luke 3:36 proves it — he copied the LXX’s extra ‘Cainan’ that isn’t in Hebrew.”
*Every time I tested that claim, it fell apart on close examination.* Here’s why.
### *1. The Cainan in Luke 3:36 Isn’t a “LXX Addition”*
*Luke 3:36*: _“...the son of Shelah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad...”_
*Genesis 11:12-13 MT*: _Arpachshad → Shelah_. No Cainan.
*Genesis 11:12-13 LXX*: _Arphaxad → Cainan → Sala_. Cainan is there.
Simple conclusion? “Luke used LXX.” That’s what gets taught. But it ignores 3 witnesses that predate or stand beside LXX:
**Source** **Date** **Language** **Cainan?**
**Demetrius the Chronographer** ~220 BC Greek **Yes**
**Book of Jubilees 8:1-4** ~160 BC Hebrew **Yes**
**4Q101 (Jubilees fragment)** ~100 BC Hebrew **Yes**
**LXX Genesis 11** ~200 BC Greek **Yes**
**Luke 3:36** ~60-90 AD Greek **Yes**
*Demetrius* wrote in Alexandria before LXX Genesis was finalized. He includes Cainan and treats him as normal history. *Jubilees* is Hebrew, not Greek, and 4Q101 at Qumran proves Cainan existed in Hebrew tradition 150 years before Christ.
*Point*: LXX didn’t invent Cainan. It translated a Hebrew tradition that already had him. Luke didn’t “quote LXX.” He drew from a 250-year-old stream of Hebrew transmission that the MT later pruned out.
### *2. The Peshitta Proves Luke Wasn’t Just Following Greek*
The Peshitta is the standard Syriac Bible, translated from Hebrew/Aramaic, not Greek. Look at Luke 3:36 in Peshitta NT:
*Greek Luke*: _Kainan... Arphaxad_
*Peshitta Luke*: _Qainan... Arphakshar_
That spelling _Arphakshar_ matches *Peshitta OT*, not Hebrew _Arpachshad_ or LXX _Arphaxad_. If the Peshitta NT was just translating Greek Luke, why change the spelling to match Peshitta OT? And if Peshitta NT was correcting toward MT Hebrew, why keep _Qainan_ which MT lacks?
*Answer*: The Peshitta NT translator had an Aramaic OT tradition that included Cainan _and_ used the spelling Arphakshar. He wasn’t slavishly following Greek. He was preserving an older Aramaic textual stream. Luke’s source looked like that stream, not Greek LXX.
### *3. The “LXX Is Original” Myth Falls Apart Elsewhere Too*
*Genesis 5*: LXX adds exactly 100 years to 6 patriarchs’ begetting ages, then subtracts 100 from “years after.” Death ages stay same. That’s not recovered history — that’s systematic editing. MT, Samaritan, Peshitta, Josephus all disagree with LXX. LXX stands alone.
*Genesis 11*: LXX adds the same +100 pattern, plus inserts Cainan. Targums Onkelos, Pseudo-Jonathan, Neofiti — all Aramaic — have no Cainan. They follow MT. If Cainan was original, why did every Aramaic synagogue tradition drop him?
*1 Chronicles 1:18*: MT has no Cainan. LXX manuscripts _delete the verse entirely_ rather than insert him. If LXX editors were freely adding names, why skip Chron? Because their Hebrew base text was inconsistent. They didn’t harmonize. That’s not what “closer to original” looks like.
### *4. Yeshua’s Accusation: “You Took Away the Key of Knowledge” — Luke 11:52*
_“Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering.”_
What’s the “key”? In context, it’s the Name and the correct text. The scribes controlled copying. And we have evidence of tampering:
*Codex margins*: Hebrew manuscripts like Leningrad Codex have _Masoretic notes_ in Aramaic margins. _Qere/Ketiv_ notes document thousands of places where the text says one thing _Ketiv_ “what is written” but tradition reads another _Qere_ “what is to be read.” Many involve the Divine Name YHWH → Adonai. Others involve names and numbers.
*Scholars ignore these* because “they’re just scribal notes.” But they’re admissions of alteration. The Name was systematically replaced. Numbers were adjusted. Genealogies were pruned. Jubilees and Demetrius show what got cut.
### *5. So What Really Happened?*
*Before 70 AD*: At least two Hebrew text families circulated.
*Family A*: No Cainan. Tight chronology. Became MT, Targums, Peshitta OT, Josephus.
*Family B*: Has Cainan. +100 years in Gen 5 & 11. Used by Demetrius 220 BC, Jubilees 160 BC, LXX translators, Luke.
After the Temple fell, rabbis standardized Family A. Family B survived in Greek LXX, Aramaic Peshitta NT, and fragments at Qumran.
*Luke didn’t “quote LXX.”* He used Family B, which existed in Hebrew/Aramaic. The Peshitta NT preserving _Qainan_ + _Arphakshar_ proves the Aramaic stream was independent of Greek.
### *6. Why This Matters*
1. *The “apostles used LXX therefore LXX is best” argument is lazy*. In Luke 3:36, LXX, Jubilees, and Demetrius all agree against MT. Luke is siding with a tradition 250 years older than his Gospel, not copying Alexandria’s Greek.
2. *The Hebrew was attacked*. Yeshua said the scribes removed the key. The margin notes prove systematic changes. Cainan is one. The Name is another. The +100 shifts are another.
3. *Chronology hinges on this*. MT: Creation ∼4004 BC. LXX: ∼5554 BC. Add Cainan: +130 years. Those 1,500 years aren’t trivial if you’re mapping prophecy.
4. *Ignoring Aramaic sources is peril*. Scholars train in Greek/Hebrew and skip Syriac. But Peshitta preserves readings older than MT and independent of LXX. The Aramaic margin notes in Hebrew codices tell us what was changed. If we ignore them, we get half truths.
### *Bottom Line*
The claim that “Luke copied LXX” is a master class in sloppy teaching. Dig into Demetrius, Jubilees, 4Q101, and the Peshitta, and it falls apart.
There was no single “original” we have today. There were streams. One stream had Cainan and longer chronology. Luke, LXX, Jubilees, and Demetrius knew that stream. MT represents the other stream that won after 70 AD.
*Yeshua accused the scribes of removing the key of knowledge.* The evidence says He was right. The Name was removed. Names were removed. Years were removed. The margins admit it.
If we want truth, we have to stop pretending LXX = original or MT = untouched. We have to read Demetrius. We have to read Jubilees. We have to read the Aramaic. And we have to admit Luke wasn’t quoting Greek — he was preserving a Hebrew/Aramaic tradition the scribes tried to erase.
The half truths lead people astray. The full data sets them free.
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